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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4792
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:54:00 -
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It's an interesting point. Christianity is big on prosecuting thought crime. So playing a game where your goal is to kill people should be anathema to gamers who claim to be for Christ.
Unless, of course, this is on the list of things religious people jettison from their ideology in order to function in modern society, (Leviticus I'm looking at you).
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4793
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:11:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion...
You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right?
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4795
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:01:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion... You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right? What was the context? It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating. Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please.
How about telling people not to keep slaves? Surely that would be higher on the list of priorities than giving said slaves advice on how to avoid a beating.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4795
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:00:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Clone D wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right? What was the context? It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating. Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please. Yeah, well it also doesn't say, "slaves, liberate yourselves from your masters." It says, "obey them." Whether or not the bible condones human oppression in the form of slavery is questionable, however the moral credibility of the bible can easily be dismissed simply by quantifying the numerous contradictions. Since you're a scripture person: A more figurative reference about serving one master is here: Matthew 6:24 Jesus tells peter to put away his weapon: Matthew 26:52 What you do in your heart/mind is your true self: proverbs 23:7 Thinking is doing: Matthew 5:27-28 There is tons of this BS in the bible. The point is that if Christians picked up the damn book and read it, they would realize that games about war and murder are not aligned with the values of their chosen religion. Touting that you are a Christian that plays games about murder is a direct contradiction and indicates a strong pathological defense mechanism. I'm just wondering how Christians justify playing war games. Would they teach it to their children, or is it something that only an adult can do? So, is looking at po*nography all of a sudden okay because you're not physically involved? GamersForChrist is a ludicrous thing, from the perspective of an outsider. I am sure they are nice people, but seriously? The problem with all this is you are comparing things between hundreds of years of change. Back then there were not games with killing involved. An example, if you worked on a Sunday you are a sinner by the old laws. But the entirety of Sunday has been changed because times have changed. Even religions can evolve to encompass modern society. Edit - correction, there were no video games with killing involved 
So God didn't account for the future? Seems like a glaring ommission for a set of principles intended to be permanent.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4795
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:33:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Clone D wrote:
Yeah, well it also doesn't say, "slaves, liberate yourselves from your masters." It says, "obey them." Whether or not the bible condones human oppression in the form of slavery is questionable, however the moral credibility of the bible can easily be dismissed simply by quantifying the numerous contradictions.
Since you're a scripture person:
A more figurative reference about serving one master is here: Matthew 6:24
Jesus tells peter to put away his weapon: Matthew 26:52
What you do in your heart/mind is your true self: proverbs 23:7
Thinking is doing: Matthew 5:27-28
There is tons of this BS in the bible. The point is that if Christians picked up the damn book and read it, they would realize that games about war and murder are not aligned with the values of their chosen religion. Touting that you are a Christian that plays games about murder is a direct contradiction and indicates a strong pathological defense mechanism.
I'm just wondering how Christians justify playing war games. Would they teach it to their children, or is it something that only an adult can do? So, is looking at po*nography all of a sudden okay because you're not physically involved?
GamersForChrist is a ludicrous thing, from the perspective of an outsider. I am sure they are nice people, but seriously?
The problem with all this is you are comparing things between hundreds of years of change. Back then there were not games with killing involved. An example, if you worked on a Sunday you are a sinner by the old laws. But the entirety of Sunday has been changed because times have changed. Even religions can evolve to encompass modern society. Edit - correction, there were no video games with killing involved So God didn't account for the future? Seems like a glaring ommission for a set of principles intended to be permanent. God didn't write the bible. Humans are unable to predict the future. I'm sure you can piece together why philosophies can change over time.
Philosophies don't change over time. The philosophy behind the scientific method has existed for millennia. The bad philosophoes get ditched in favour of the better ones.
The only time you see them change is when people are too attatched to them to let go, and are forced to shoehorn them into modern society.
And besides that; if you can't rely upon the testimony of the people who compiled the bible, then what good are their books when they make such profound claims?
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4796
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:38:00 -
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Denchlad 7 wrote:just because you dont believe in it it doesnt give you a right to bash people for something they believe in
You're right, it doesn't give me the right.
Because I've had that right from birth. It's called free speech.
If somebody wants to express an idea, others are free to scrutinise it. If you don't like the exchange of ideas, you really shouldn't be on a discussion forum.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4796
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:40:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Clone D wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Your post is like yelling at religions telling them to be fundamentalists. Everyone gets to do whatever they want by nature within the constraints of reality. I am merely commenting on the logic behind this one specific seeming contradiction. I only care because I became momentarily nauseous. Why? Can't they name a corporation as they want? What's wrong? This is a game, no one is dying, is much more a kind of "sport", where you test your skills, than a "killing simulation". And if you see these games as a killing sim, you'd better stop playing right now.
I think you may have missed the OP's point entirely.
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RIP Dust514.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4796
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:40:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Wow, a full-blown discussion of religion in GD, and no moderation hammer...
Oh that's right, we're beating up on Christians. Carry on, eh?
Yes, you guys are so persecuted.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4796
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion... You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right? What was the context? It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating. Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please. How about telling people not to keep slaves? Surely that would be higher on the list of priorities than giving said slaves advice on how to avoid a beating. Well the ideal that slavery is wrong is only a social construct..... slavery in antiquity was both simply a form of labour and also in some cases a supplication to a patron so as to provide the slave with the means to survive and live in a reasonable comfort rather than waste away and die in the streets.
"Just a social construct"
*facepalm*
Think about what you're saying here;
Rather than just accepting that the bible is a poor standard, you're actually trying to make excuses for slavery. It's astonishing what a little faith can drive people to do & say.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4796
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:53:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:
Why? Can't they name a corporation as they want? What's wrong?
This is a game, no one is dying, is much more a kind of "sport", where you test your skills, than a "killing simulation". And if you see these games as a killing sim, you'd better stop playing right now.
I think you may have missed the OP's point entirely. Quote:I just saw a corp named GamersForChrist. It gave me a chill. I literally shivered.
What's up with proselytizing murderers? I.e. people who kill and then try to convert others to their religion. Please explain then...
Kudos on the quote-mine
The OP never said G4C couldn't/shouldn't have their name, just that the name would make no sense if it were sincere.
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